In Episode 5 of Humans Who Make Games podcast, Co-Founder of Subset games and creator of FTL and Into the Breach, Justin Ma, chats with host and comedian, Adam Conover about following his family’s path into game design, how the best ideas never work out, what is essential to the learning process, and more.

Listen to Humans Who Make Games Episode 5.

Ma met with work partner, Matthew Davis, while he was in Shanghai working as a junior game designer for 2K games.

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Source: IGN.com Just Ma Talks About Growing Up Around Video Games